On January 6, the investigators organize the second day of testimony


Former Trump campaign manager says he and McCarthy tried to convince Trump’s mail-in ballots were OK

Video of an interview with former President Trump’s campaign manager William Stepien (L) and his attorney Kevin Marino is played during a hearing by the select committee investigating the 6 January against the U.S. Capitol at the Cannon House office building on June 13. , 2022 in Washington, DC.

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Former Trump campaign leader Bill Stepien told the committee that he and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., met with Trump to convince him that mail-in ballots won’t were not at high risk of fraud as a former commander-in-chief. leader discouraged voters from using them.

“We explained why we thought mail-in voting, mail-in voting, wasn’t a bad thing for his campaign but, you know, the president’s decision was made,” Stepien said in new testimony presented to the hearing. .

The encounter with Trump came in the summer of 2020 as the president publicly ripped off the idea of ​​mail-in ballots being used to vote during the coronavirus pandemic.

“Absentee ballots are a very dangerous thing for this country because they are cheats,” Trump said. said during a White House briefing that year.

—Brian Schwartz

‘Certainly drunk’ Rudy Giuliani says Trump should declare victory on election night, campaign aide says

Former Trump campaign attorney Rudy Giuliani is shown on a screen during a select committee hearing investigating the January 6 attack on the US Capitol on June 13, 2022 in Washington, DC.

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Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani was “definitely drunk” on election night 2020 when he told the White House that then-President Donald Trump should simply declare victory over Joe Biden, said former Trump campaign aide Jason Miller.

Miller said he noticed Giuliani was intoxicated when he and other officials, including former campaign manager Bill Stepien and former chief of staff Mark Meadows, met at the White House to listen to what Giuliani wanted to say to Trump.

“The mayor was definitely drunk, but I didn’t know his level of drunkenness when he spoke with the president, for example,” Miller said as part of an interview with the select committee, excerpts of which have been released. broadcast during the hearing.

“There were suggestions from, I believe it was Mayor Giuliani, to go and declare victory and say we won it,” Miller said. He said he remembered saying at the time that Trump should not declare victory until the numbers were clearer.

Giuliani was effectively saying, “‘We won it, they’re stealing it from us, where all the votes are coming from, we have to go say we won’, and basically anyone who disagreed with that position was to be low,” Miller told investigators.

In a separate interview, Stepien told the committee it was “far too early” to make such a statement.

Trump, in the early hours of November 4, 2020, falsely claimed, “Frankly, we won this election.”

Kevin Breuninger

The ‘big lie’ was also the ‘big scam,’ Lofgren says of Trump’s fundraiser

U.S. Representative Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) speaks during the second public hearing of the U.S. House Select Committee to Investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, at Capitol Hill, in Washington, United States, on June 13, 2022.

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Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif, a member of the Jan. 6 House Select Committee, said she plans to show how the Trump campaign ripped off supporters by convincing them to contribute to their legal fight against the election results. of 2020.

Lofgren says the donors were tricked and that much of those contributions went unused in the eventual legal battle.

“We’ll also show how the Trump campaign used these false claims of voter fraud to raise hundreds of millions of dollars from supporters who were told their donations were for the legal fight in court,” Lofgren said. “But the Trump campaign didn’t use the money for that. The big lie was also a big scam.”

—Brian Schwartz

Thompson says Trump ‘has decided to carry out an attack on our democracy’

The select committee will explain how Donald Trump lost the 2020 election, but instead of conceding he “decided to carry out an attack on our democracy,” President Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said at the start of the audience.

“The numbers don’t lie,” Thompson said of the election results. If it doesn’t match, you can go to court – and “that’s the end of the line,” he said.

Trump “didn’t have the numbers. He went to court. He still didn’t have the numbers. He lost,” Thompson said.

At Tuesday’s hearing, “we will tell how Donald Trump lost an election” and “knew he had lost” but decided to carry out an attack on our democracy,” the president said.

Kevin Breuninger

Trump campaign manager dropped out of hearing after wife gave birth, NBC reports

Video of an interview with former President Trump’s campaign manager William Stepien (L) and his attorney Kevin Marino is played during a hearing by the select committee investigating the 6 January against the U.S. Capitol at the Cannon House office building on June 13. , 2022 in Washington, DC.

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The wife of former Trump 2020 campaign manager Bill Stepien went into labor Monday morning, barring him from testifying under subpoena before the Jan. 6 select committee in its second public hearing, NBC News reported. , citing a source familiar with the matter.

The panel announced the rescheduling less than an hour before the start of the hearing. The news delayed the scheduled start of the hearing at 10 a.m. ET by 30 to 45 minutes.

The panel instead intends to release a video of Stepien’s taped deposition, sources told NBC.

Kevin Breuninger

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